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Day Three – Retail & Cultural


By Maureen Rossi

   A banner day for both residents and planners, a great deal was accomplished as the dialogue reached a more fluid level.  The day’s presentation followed a private meeting with the Chamber of Commerce Board members that were also deemed successful by both Chamber members and Charrette organizers.  Attracting about 150 people, a wide array of participants were onsite for the commerce facet of the Charrette, including residents, politicians, builders, a Suffolk YMCA representative and members of various local civic groups.  Mike Watkins eloquently started the meeting by addressing the acreage discrepancy, explaining that they were unaware of the 90-acre factor.  The Kings Park Community has been led to believe that only 90 acres of the property would be developed, a number, which, according to a source inside local government, was a number that Supervisor Vecchio proposed.  It was allegedly a figure that was not given by the state or derived from the community.   The DPZ/LAMB team is now shooting for approximately 140 acres.  The numbers aren’t written in stone and are debatable, keeping in mind the need for the builders to make a profit and the need for the community to have an increase in taxes (for the school district -optimistically creating less of a tax burden for present residents).    

   Watkins spoke of a local community college that professed a sincere interest in a 40,000 foot space for a satellite facility.   Watkins implored the community for their input.  The notion of a community center/recreation center arose where the children of the town could hang out and have something constructive to do.   Building 23 (with the pool) was mentioned and the team is not seeing whether is economically or fiscally feasible to remediate such.  The building is in tough shape and one LAMB associate speculated the cost to remediate would be in the 10 million dollar range.  Interest for a dog park was mentioned as well.  Watkins assured meeting goers that these options would be written into the tentative plans -- hence the entire premise of the Charrette (to get ideas from residents about what they want in their town).  From the previous meetings, the community conveyed its desire for office.   The architects promised structures that would be attractive.   

   A resident inquired about the landmark “the tall building” and Watkins informed us that at the present time the façade is peeling away from the structure (the veneer), the structure has concrete pumped under it bit is still sinking, there are broken pipes, etc.  The reason that the tall building is fenced is because is does in fact pose a danger.  Some residents spoke of the fear about creating a community within a community, there by having two separate communities, two separate business districts that would perhaps compete with each other.    The Charrette team assured those present that the premise of their design is not to create an island – there are tentative plans to connect the present downtown with the future downtown – so commerce could be interchangeable.   

   Other participants professed an interest in amphitheater and open park spaces for concerts.  These things are now being written into the tentative plans.  There will be several civic areas penciled into the drawings.  About the rentals – the plans include rental apartment over the small mom & pop type storefronts.  Debra Shaw asked if they would be made available for sale and or rented by developed.  The apartments will be for sale.  Participants were concerned about transient business owners, a problem that presently exists in downtown at this juncture – businesses come and go all the time and many storefronts remain empty.  Residents continued to state the importance of not creating two separate communities where commerce and real estate competed with each other.   

   The DPZ team will be making recommendations for our downtown area – so as people drive through there will be incentives to stop and shop – recommendations to make it more esthetically pleasing.    Huge concerns over demolition and the release of asbestoses and pcbs arose.  The DPZ people assured residents that everything would be done in strict compliance with the EPA and other regulatory agencies.   A notable piece of data – they are held to more stringent regulations (as a private builder) than the state would be.  So in essence, it is to our advance that builders clean up and remediate the site as apposed to New York State.  That fact is an interesting epiphany.  The site is a Brownfield site so builders will be seeking state and federal funding for the cleanup. 

   Current zoning for the site is residential – 1 acre lots.  A number of variances would be needed and they will be sought in blanket fashion.  The rumor that Tiffany field was including in the sale to the builder was debunked.   The soccer fields are included in the state park designated by New York State. 

  One of the most poignant questions of the day came from Rich who was a New York City Firefighter and a Kings Park volunteer firefighter.  He said, “what kind of effect would high density occupancy have on the Fire Department.  Where you have high density areas, they generally have paid fire departments”.  Rich was on the job when some New York neighborhood were burning down quicker than the fire department could put them out – places like Bushwick.   Rich questions the street widths and the availability of equipment and its ability to circumnavigate the area if a fire arose.   DPZ representatives said live work environments require a higher degree of fire protection.  The buildings will clearly have to meet the local building codes like mutli-families being built with sprinkler systems, etc. 

   For more information on Brownfield’s seek out “Sustainable Long Island” or due a basic Brownfield search online.  This is a project of regional significance”, says Eric Alexander of Vision Long Island.   As some fears are waylaid, the prospect is becoming increasing interesting to some Kings Park residents.  The potential for something that serves the community well for generations to come certainly exists.

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Building Options
 


By Ken Kraska

   At Thursday evening's meeting the three basic desires were again debated - give us positive flow of tax revenue, an efficient road network and limit the amount of new residents and children to the area.

   After days of deferring the question "Exactly how many units are you building?", the developer took another approach and answered the question with a variable- in order to generate their desired profit  they needed to develop 3.6 million square feet. Based on the average unit of 2,000 square feet, there would be a maximum of 1,800 units which could be built with a population increase of about 5,400. But, they conceded this would be unlikely since their plan also calls for a portion of the site to be developed for commercial and mixed usage.  At this point they offered the group the option of which type of development the community would prefer, stating they could build any combination of residential, commercial, mixed use, adult and senior living. Mr. Duany did however caution the group about the danger of having too much of any one type.
   This could be a positive, but it begs the question "Who will ultimately determine what is really what is best for us?"

    The developable acreage question was again broached. There appears to be some issue and with this topic. Since the original verbal agreement from Governor Pataky was never formalized to writing, at least no one appears to have a written copy, the problem becomes one of interpretation. Did the Governor promise to keep the 3 to 1 ratio of open space based on the entire plot including the  153 acre Nissequoge River State Park, yielding 130 acres of developable land or was based on the remaining 370 acres left, after the park was carved out,  yielding 90 developable acres?  Last heard, the developer is looking for the news footage containing the Governor's proclamation. This aside, an attendee of the meeting questioned the developer. He asked - how could the developer bid on such a large project without knowing what they were bidding on? As a spectator analyzing this, based on their opening meeting it is clear the developer understood there was a three to one ratio, and it was based on the 360 acres. But, it appears he understood 3 to 1 meaning he had 270 developable with 90 restricted. Negotiations with the State are currently underway to address the issue.

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Moving Slowly
Day Two – Transportation
 


By Maureen Rossi

   The first day of meetings held at the San Remo school proved less than fruitful.  Dubbed the Transportation Meeting, approximately 80 people were in attendance.  The event began by encouraging guests to identify themselves briefly.  Those in attendance included residents, members of local civic groups, chamber of commerce members and members of the planning and zoning boards, some of which remained anonymous. 
   The meeting transpired as DZP offshoots were holding business in the background.  Transportation   and engineering expert Rick Hall took front and center.  A rather down to earth gentleman, he professed his interest in listening to the community and proceeded to share his observations and knowledge of traffic both in and outside the Kings Park area.  Having worked with DPZ and other Charrette firms, Hall was both used to and prepared for the standard run of questions.   He is presently working on several projects in the LI area (still in the planning stages).    

   Selling the walking friendly new urbanism as opposed to suburban sprawl where motor vehicle use was excessive, he talked about arterial highways and their detriment.  He said, “since World War II, Long Island was built in a fashion that assumed the only way to get around was by motor vehicle, walking, biking and mass transit have been forgotten”.    Continuing on the concept of walkable communities, Hall talked about the main benefit that would arise from new urbanism including less motor vehicle use.   The crowd wasn’t buying it and they insisted that the proposed occupants would still be driving in and out of Kings Park on a regular basis.  They weren’t convinced that all the residents’ needs would be met within the new village.   Several present Kings Park occupants spewed angry rhetoric about the potential traffic nightmare.   Unfortunately for the DPZ team, they weren’t armed with the number of people that came in and out of the hospital property daily when it was running at full peak.  It would have been to their advantage to show that, with all shifts included, in all probability, several thousand people traveled in and out of the property on a daily basis.  One resident insisted that most of the employees were local but asked if they all walked to work, she gave no response.  This is something that needs to be explored further.

 

Hall spoke of the inefficiency of widening roads, temporary solutions that in the end prove fruitless by increasing traffic and losing the charm of the area surrounding such roads.  He said, “widening every busy road is a losing battle”.  Professing the dangers of arterial roadways (such as Indian Head and 25A) Hall went on to site quotes about pedestrian vehicular deaths.  Having done his own research in town, he confirmed that when the light went green on Indian Head and Main Street, the average car was going 21 miles per hour.  However, 3 blocks south of Main Street on Indian Head, he clocked the average speed at 39 miles per hour.   What does this data mean to Kings Park residents?   Hall mentioned fatality statistics and said if you get hit by a car going 20 miles an hour you have a 5% chance of fatality, when the speedometer gets to the 30 mile an hour range your chance of succumbing to the accident increasing to over 50%.  If a cars is moving along at 40 miles an hour or better, your chance of dying reaching the 85% level.   Not pleasant data considering drivers  zip along at 40 miles an hour or better on 25A, St. Johnland, Indian Head, Pulaski and Old Dock.  No doubt suburban sprawl includes vehicular dangers.  

 

With regard to roadways within the proposed village, tentative plans include a 9 or 10 foot street width with 7 or 8 feet for parallel parking with 12 foot wide sidewalks.  Questions continued about how the team planned on accommodating several thousand new residents and what that prospect would do to the roadways in Kings Park.  Unfortunately the response sounded weak but rang true – Kings Park presently has a traffic problem.  Think back two summers when the St. Johnland bridge was out in San Remo, town traffic was a nightmare 24/7.  It was like driving through the Hamptons on a hot summer day.    Although some residents insisted that we don’t have a “drive through community”, that people on the roads in Kings Park live in Kings Park.  That statement is erroneous.  People do avoid Jericho (25) and pass through Kings Park every single day to get to Smithtown, St. James, the mall, Northport, etc.    Fear of the word “arterial roadway” brought angry commentary, however, the fact of the matter is that we have several arterial roadways already, including 25A, St. Johnland and Indian Head Road.  The consensus of the transportation people was that the pass throughs would no longer pass through after the addition of the new village and the occupants it attracts.  That it would not be to their advantage to do so and that we would still have a traffic problem, however, it would include the people living here and paying taxes here opposed to the drive throughs.   Probably true but not necessarily a great selling point.
   One civic group president kept repeating his fear of a gated community or a closed community, only to be met by assurance that the plans at hand were designing a “pourous” or open community and that there would be several entrance/exits throughout the development. 
   Veering away from the public relations nightmare of comparing the new site to “Forest Hills” Charrette planners began to speak of the “Port Jeff” type village.  If you take a look at the other sites the DPZ people have designed, they all have a “Northport, Port Jeff” type charm.  Architectural symmetry is abound, something our current town profusely lacks.  Many more questions need to be answered in the week to come.  However, the combative nature of many residents is proving counterproductive to the Charrette process, a process which is meant to open the lines and communication and work for the community.  Maybe people should stop shouting about what they don’t want and come up with some viable options as to what they do want.  In a perfect world, the state would have cleaned up their mess, we wouldn’t need to increase our tax base and we would all have a wonderful park in the center of town.  That’s not the scenario and it’s not the builder’s fault.  If the notion of high density residential occupancy is something the community is vehemently opposed to, why not start to discuss light residential occupancy with a larger focus on office space for light industry or the academic or research community?  The bottom line, New York State sold out Kings Park and our local and state government failed us.   The property will be developed, if not by these folks, by someone down the road with the possibility of plans of even lesser desirability.

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Welcome Home Josh

   
   A big welcome home to Josh Rogienski. Josh, a Kings Park Graduate, class of 2002 has been leading an extremely eventful life. First, graduation, then joining the Army to serve his country. Then being shipped abroad for an eight month tour in Iraq!   
   Pictured here is Ms. Gail Martino, KPHS Teacher, Josh and school Nurse Maureen Simpson. Josh visited Kings Park HS to personally thank all those who sent him letters and packages of goodies. He also spoke to a group of students giving them a first hand account of his experience. 
    The best part, returning home safe and sound...
                                                    Welcome back and THANK YOU!
 

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A Heavenly Performance



     The Kings Park High School Chambers singers gave it their all and the presentation was an experience to remember. Under the direction of high school music teacher Mr. Lee Wiltamuth, the group performed Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's Coronation Mass.
                                                    Excellent Work!
 

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Charrette Turns to Chagrin
 


By Ken Kraska

  The opening meeting for the KPPC "Charrette" turned into the chagrin of many  as Andres Duany started to piece together some of the overall plans his employer, Lamb Aquistions, has for the KP Psych Center property. The presentation started just after 7 p.m. to a packed Kings Park High School Auditorium with an estimated 800 or so in attendance. As was the case with the LIRR meetings, overflow from the crowded hall was directed to the gymnasium where a monitor supplied a live feed of the meeting.
   A good portion of the time was utilized to set the stage for what was being planned. A variety of slides and comparisons were employed to depict how inefficiently our small towns were designed and how DPZ, Mr. Duany's organization, could change that trend with using a  "smart growth" approach to develop the 370 acre Kings Park site. Some the ideas presented made sense, but many local residents quickly determined, not all of the principles could be applied to our particular situation. There was overall unanimity with the negative facts: 25a or as Mr. Duany puts it A25, along with the surrounding local arteries are currently at their maximum utilization; our local schools are currently at their maximum utilization and  will be further burdened with the additional development; and, the area does not have enough development which is tax revenue generating.
    The murmur that 270 acres of the 370 available are to be developed disturbed many in the audience including Councilwoman Jane Conway who asked for clarification of the issue. To the shock of the majority, Mr. Duany indicated it was his understanding that 270 and not 90 acres were to be developed. After the session, Councilwoman Conway stated it was her understanding the town and Gov. Pataky agreed when the Nissequouge River State Park was carved out, there would be a 3 to 1 open space requirement on the remaining 370 acres. In an effort to ease the minds of some residents as well as her own, the Councilwoman said she would contact the State for confirmation of the fact. Another alarming revelation was Mr. Duany's comment- based on his experience with other developments, 14 units per acre were needed to support their plans. He did at one point concede that this may be a bit high for this site and 10 units per acre would be more realistic.

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370 acres with 270 developable (Developers assumptions)

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Assuming 10 units per acre this equates to 2,700 units

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2,700 units with a conservative average of 2.8 people per unit, this equates to 7,560 additional residents.

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2000 Census totaled Kings Park's population at 16,146 with 5,574 housing units on 5.89 square miles.

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This development would equate to a "Mini City" and increase the local population and housing units by over 50%.

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It would equate to putting half of all the homes and people in Kings Park, San Remo and parts of Fort Salonga into an area less than a square mile.

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2,700 units with 1.5 autos per unit equals 4,050 additional autos capable of driving in the neighborhood.

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Let's be very conservative and say 2,700 units with an average of 1 child per unit. The cost to educate one child is approximately $12,000 per year per student.

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The tax levied on a unit would probably be less than the $12,000 total tax which would equate to about $8,000 being applied to school tax. It will cost the community over $32 million to educate the additional children and we would receive $21.6 million from tax receipts. Who is going to make up the $10 million difference?

 

   When asked how we should handle the increase in traffic of our local arteries, Mr. Dunay shirked the question and responded it was our state's responsibility to resolve the traffic flow issues. In the end the, the net result is to place a high density residential development in the center of an already congested town.
  

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Opening Night
 


By Maureen Rossi

   Out of the gate the Charrette was well attended, packing about 800 plus people into The Kings Park High School auditorium with impressive overflow into the hallways.  Builder Charlie Lefkowitz took the podium front and center and introduced Andre’s Duany, Project Director for the Charrette team - Duany Plater-Zyberk (DPZ).   DPZ is known throughout the building industry as one of the best Charrette teams in the nation.  Duany gave an overview of the Charrette process and spoke extensively about engaging the community in the procedure, as well as smart growth, the problems with suburban sprawl and the positive aspects of new urbanism.  Duany urged citizen participation stressing the importance of the pin up sessions on Thursday May 6th and Saturday May 8th as well as the final presentation on Tuesday May 11th at 7:00 at the high school.  It was stated that there will be ample opportunity at these particular sessions for community input and Q & A’s. 
   High Density was a term tossed out frequently throughout the evening.  However, with the 50 million dollar environmental remediation of the site, high density would be the only vehicle that which would yield a profit for the builders.  Duany stressed that this in itself was hardly a new concept.   The post-war development of suburbia was based on development for profit.  Through a series of slides, Duany pinpointed the cons of various single function development strategies such as subdivisions, strip malls and office parks.   The B Word was mentioned twice.  Duany said, “it (the property) is essentially a Brownfield site”.   Stay tuned for more about Brownfield’s and their relevance to zoning and planning boards overrides.  Developers are often given certain incentives for development Brownfield or areas of blight.    The Environmental factor will be expanded on over the course of the week and therein lie some of the most important questions, i.e. will buried toxins be unearthed, demolition and what it will do to the air quality etc. (freeing asbestos and other toxins). 
   The crowd was ruled by fear and the builders were ruled by profit and the mix proved combustible.  Nearing the end of the presentation some residents began to shout angrily at the DPZ representative.  Although not designed as a Q & A session, Duany did take several questions.  The climate was angry and untrusting, however, the real anger should be directed at New York State who owned and operated the property for one hundred plus years and cowardly scampered without cleaning up their mess.  They were not held accountable for their sins.  The builders and Charrette team are bearing the burden of the fear and anger left in the state’s shadows.
   Keep in mind, the smart growth process is not an easy process or an expedient process – as it stands now; the property is zoned for 1-acre lots.  Regardless of the public outcry and decisions that will follow in the wake of the Charrette, in the end, our zoning board will have the final say about what and how many will inhabit the psych hospital property. 
   Smart growth concepts include “mixed use” and “walk able communities”, environs that were more “environmentally friendly”, places where folks could gather and shop, see a show or walk in the park without hopping in their car.  The air was thick with skepticism and expected by DPZ team.  The biggest bomb dropped by the DPZ people was the amount of acreage they planned on using.   The community was previous lead to believe by local civic groups and local publications, that only 90 acres would used for development.  Councilwoman Jane Conway posed the important question about acreage and Duany debunked the 90-acre number and threw out a 200 plus acre number that drew many by surprise.  
   Affordable Housing was touched upon briefly with legislation waiting in the backdrop that would require 10% of all new housing built on LI to include affordable dwellings.  One of the best questions of the night came from resident and Kings Park Neighbor Association member Cathy Moonis.  She asked, “is Lamb just cleaning up what they are building on or will the entire site be cleaned up”?   Like many of the other questions that arose, Duany didn’t have the answer at the moment but promised one before the Charrette was over.   Time frame was discussed and Duany said, “the estate may close within a year, the permits would take about tow years and the build out would occur in 1- -15 years”.  
   Log in daily for a synopsis of all the Charrette meetings.   If you are unable to attend a specific meeting and need a question answered, please forward your question to Loezlane@optonline.net It is imperative to keep the lines of communication open, information is power.  We can work together and use the Charrette process to ascertain what is best for the Kings Park Community.    

 

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Nowick Scouting New Constituents
 

 

Smithtown, NY - Legislator Lynne C. Nowick recently hosted Webelo Scout Troop 326 from Smithtown at the Suffolk County Legislature Building in Hauppauge as the scouts learned first hand how government is operated.  The scouts listened as Legislative Aide Meghan O’Reilly spoke about how the Legislature operates and the responsibilities of the eighteen members.   

   Legislator Nowick greeted each scout and their families and asked them what they knew about government.  After discussing the responsibilities she has as their representative, she asked them about various issues that the scouts had information about.  The scouts then took on the roles of Legislators and sat around the horseshoe and listened to ‘testimony’ on a proposed anti-smoking bill.  Legislative Aides took on the roles of residents in favor and in opposition to proposed legislation as they each argued their position.  The scouts were then free to ask questions, and debate the issue.  After the debate was concluded, Legislator Nowick called for a vote on the legislation.  The scouts voted ‘yay’ or ‘nay’ on the issue, which then passed and was sent on to the ‘County Executive’. 

   The Webelos completed their visit by receiving a Certificate of Merit for outstanding public service for serving as ‘Legislator’ for the day.

 

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