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Moving Forward
Day Three – Retail & Cultural |

By Maureen Rossi |
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A banner day
for both residents and planners, a great deal was accomplished as
the dialogue reached a more fluid level. The day’s presentation
followed a private meeting with the Chamber of Commerce Board
members that were also deemed successful by both Chamber members and
Charrette organizers. Attracting about 150 people, a wide array of
participants were onsite for the commerce facet of the Charrette,
including residents, politicians, builders, a Suffolk YMCA
representative and members of various local civic groups. Mike
Watkins eloquently started the meeting by addressing the acreage
discrepancy, explaining that they were unaware of the 90-acre
factor. The Kings Park Community has been led to believe that only
90 acres of the property would be developed, a number, which,
according to a source inside local government, was a number that
Supervisor Vecchio proposed. It was allegedly a figure that was not
given by the state or derived from the community. The DPZ/LAMB
team is now shooting for approximately 140 acres. The numbers
aren’t written in stone and are debatable, keeping in mind the need
for the builders to make a profit and the need for the community to
have an increase in taxes (for the school district -optimistically
creating less of a tax burden for present residents).
Watkins
spoke of a local community college that professed a sincere interest
in a 40,000 foot space for a satellite facility. Watkins implored
the community for their input. The notion of a community
center/recreation center arose where the children of the town could
hang out and have something constructive to do. Building 23 (with
the pool) was mentioned and the team is not seeing whether is
economically or fiscally feasible to remediate such. The building
is in tough shape and one LAMB associate speculated the cost to
remediate would be in the 10 million dollar range. Interest for a
dog park was mentioned as well. Watkins assured meeting goers that
these options would be written into the tentative plans -- hence the
entire premise of the Charrette (to get ideas from residents about
what they want in their town). From the previous meetings, the
community conveyed its desire for office. The architects promised
structures that would be attractive.
A resident
inquired about the landmark “the tall building” and Watkins informed
us that at the present time the façade is peeling away from the
structure (the veneer), the structure has concrete pumped under it
bit is still sinking, there are broken pipes, etc. The reason that
the tall building is fenced is because is does in fact pose a
danger. Some residents spoke of the fear about creating a community
within a community, there by having two separate communities, two
separate business districts that would perhaps compete with each
other. The Charrette team assured those present that the premise
of their design is not to create an island – there are tentative
plans to connect the present downtown with the future downtown – so
commerce could be interchangeable.
Other
participants professed an interest in amphitheater and open park
spaces for concerts. These things are now being written into the
tentative plans. There will be several civic areas penciled into
the drawings. About the rentals – the plans include rental
apartment over the small mom & pop type storefronts. Debra Shaw
asked if they would be made available for sale and or rented by
developed. The apartments will be for sale. Participants were
concerned about transient business owners, a problem that presently
exists in downtown at this juncture – businesses come and go all the
time and many storefronts remain empty. Residents continued to
state the importance of not creating two separate communities where
commerce and real estate competed with each other.
The DPZ team
will be making recommendations for our downtown area – so as people
drive through there will be incentives to stop and shop –
recommendations to make it more esthetically pleasing. Huge
concerns over demolition and the release of asbestoses and pcbs
arose. The DPZ people assured residents that everything would be
done in strict compliance with the EPA and other regulatory
agencies. A notable piece of data – they are held to more
stringent regulations (as a private builder) than the state would
be. So in essence, it is to our advance that builders clean up and
remediate the site as apposed to New York State. That fact is an
interesting epiphany. The site is a Brownfield site so builders
will be seeking state and federal funding for the cleanup.
Current
zoning for the site is residential – 1 acre lots. A number of
variances would be needed and they will be sought in blanket
fashion. The rumor that Tiffany field was including in the sale to
the builder was debunked. The soccer fields are included in the
state park designated by New York State.
One of the most
poignant questions of the day came from Rich who was a New York City
Firefighter and a Kings Park volunteer firefighter. He said, “what
kind of effect would high density occupancy have on the Fire
Department. Where you have high density areas, they generally have
paid fire departments”. Rich was on the job when some New York
neighborhood were burning down quicker than the fire department
could put them out – places like Bushwick. Rich questions the
street widths and the availability of equipment and its ability to
circumnavigate the area if a fire arose. DPZ representatives said
live work environments require a higher degree of fire protection.
The buildings will clearly have to meet the local building codes
like mutli-families being built with sprinkler systems, etc.
For more
information on Brownfield’s seek out “Sustainable Long Island” or
due a basic Brownfield search online. This is a project of regional
significance”, says Eric Alexander of Vision Long Island. As some
fears are waylaid, the prospect is becoming increasing interesting
to some Kings Park residents. The potential for something that
serves the community well for generations to come certainly exists. |
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Building Options
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By Ken Kraska
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At Thursday evening's meeting the three basic desires were again
debated - give us positive flow of tax revenue, an efficient road
network and limit the amount of new residents and children to the
area.
After days of deferring the question
"Exactly how many units are you building?", the developer took
another approach and answered the question with a variable- in order
to generate their desired profit they needed to develop 3.6
million square feet. Based on the average unit of 2,000 square feet,
there would be a maximum of 1,800 units which could be built
with a population increase of about 5,400. But, they conceded this
would be unlikely since their plan also calls for a portion of the
site to be developed for commercial and mixed usage. At this
point they offered the group the option of which type of development
the community would prefer, stating they could build any combination
of residential, commercial, mixed use, adult and senior living. Mr.
Duany did however caution the group about the danger of having too
much of any one type.
This could be a positive, but it begs the question "Who will
ultimately determine what is really what is best for us?"
The developable acreage question
was again broached. There appears to be some issue and with this
topic. Since the original verbal agreement from Governor Pataky was
never formalized to writing, at least no one appears to have a
written copy, the problem becomes one of interpretation. Did the
Governor promise to keep the 3 to 1 ratio of open space based on the
entire plot including the 153 acre Nissequoge River State
Park, yielding 130 acres of developable land or was based on the
remaining 370 acres left, after the park was carved out,
yielding 90 developable acres? Last heard, the developer is
looking for the news footage containing the Governor's proclamation.
This aside, an attendee of the meeting questioned the developer. He
asked - how could the developer bid on such a large project without
knowing what they were bidding on? As a spectator analyzing this,
based on their opening meeting it is clear the developer understood
there was a three to one ratio, and it was based on the 360 acres.
But, it appears he understood 3 to 1 meaning he had 270 developable
with 90 restricted. Negotiations with the State are currently
underway to address the issue. |
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Moving Slowly
Day Two – Transportation
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By Maureen Rossi |
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The first day of meetings held at the San Remo school proved less
than fruitful. Dubbed the Transportation Meeting, approximately 80
people were in attendance. The event began by encouraging guests to
identify themselves briefly. Those in attendance included
residents, members of local civic groups, chamber of commerce
members and members of the planning and zoning boards, some of which
remained anonymous.
The meeting transpired as DZP offshoots were holding business in
the background. Transportation and engineering expert Rick Hall
took front and center. A rather down to earth gentleman, he
professed his interest in listening to the community and proceeded
to share his observations and knowledge of traffic both in and
outside the Kings Park area. Having worked with DPZ and other
Charrette firms, Hall was both used to and prepared for the standard
run of questions. He is presently working on several projects in
the LI area (still in the planning stages).
Selling the walking friendly new
urbanism as opposed to suburban sprawl where motor vehicle use was
excessive, he talked about arterial highways and their detriment.
He said, “since World War II, Long Island was built in a fashion
that assumed the only way to get around was by motor vehicle,
walking, biking and mass transit have been forgotten”. Continuing
on the concept of walkable communities, Hall talked about the main
benefit that would arise from new urbanism including less motor
vehicle use. The crowd wasn’t buying it and they insisted that the
proposed occupants would still be driving in and out of Kings Park
on a regular basis. They weren’t convinced that all the residents’
needs would be met within the new village. Several present Kings
Park occupants spewed angry rhetoric about the potential traffic
nightmare. Unfortunately for the DPZ team, they weren’t armed with
the number of people that came in and out of the hospital property
daily when it was running at full peak. It would have been to their
advantage to show that, with all shifts included, in all
probability, several thousand people traveled in and out of the
property on a daily basis. One resident insisted that most of the
employees were local but asked if they all walked to work, she gave
no response. This is something that needs to be explored further.
Hall spoke of the inefficiency of widening roads,
temporary solutions that in the end prove fruitless by increasing
traffic and losing the charm of the area surrounding such roads. He
said, “widening every busy road is a losing battle”. Professing the
dangers of arterial roadways (such as Indian Head and 25A) Hall went
on to site quotes about pedestrian vehicular deaths. Having done
his own research in town, he confirmed that when the light went
green on Indian Head and Main Street, the average car was going 21
miles per hour. However, 3 blocks south of Main Street on Indian
Head, he clocked the average speed at 39 miles per hour. What does
this data mean to Kings Park residents? Hall mentioned fatality
statistics and said if you get hit by a car going 20 miles an hour
you have a 5% chance of fatality, when the speedometer gets to the
30 mile an hour range your chance of succumbing to the accident
increasing to over 50%. If a cars is moving along at 40 miles an
hour or better, your chance of dying reaching the 85% level. Not
pleasant data considering drivers zip along at 40 miles an hour or
better on 25A, St. Johnland, Indian Head, Pulaski and Old Dock. No
doubt suburban sprawl includes vehicular dangers.
With regard to roadways within the proposed village,
tentative plans include a 9 or 10 foot street width with 7 or 8 feet
for parallel parking with 12 foot wide sidewalks. Questions
continued about how the team planned on accommodating several
thousand new residents and what that prospect would do to the
roadways in Kings Park. Unfortunately the response sounded weak but
rang true – Kings Park presently has a traffic problem. Think back
two summers when the St. Johnland bridge was out in San Remo, town
traffic was a nightmare 24/7. It was like driving through the
Hamptons on a hot summer day. Although some residents insisted
that we don’t have a “drive through community”, that people on the
roads in Kings Park live in Kings Park. That statement is
erroneous. People do avoid Jericho (25) and pass through Kings Park
every single day to get to Smithtown, St. James, the mall,
Northport, etc. Fear of the word “arterial roadway” brought angry
commentary, however, the fact of the matter is that we have several
arterial roadways already, including 25A, St. Johnland and Indian
Head Road. The consensus of the transportation people was that the
pass throughs would no longer pass through after the addition of the
new village and the occupants it attracts. That it would not be to
their advantage to do so and that we would still have a traffic
problem, however, it would include the people living here and paying
taxes here opposed to the drive throughs. Probably true but not
necessarily a great selling point.
One civic group president kept repeating his fear of a gated
community or a closed community, only to be met by assurance that
the plans at hand were designing a “pourous” or open community and
that there would be several entrance/exits throughout the
development.
Veering away from the public relations nightmare of comparing the
new site to “Forest Hills” Charrette planners began to speak of the
“Port Jeff” type village. If you take a look at the other sites the
DPZ people have designed, they all have a “Northport, Port Jeff”
type charm. Architectural symmetry is abound, something our current
town profusely lacks. Many more questions need to be answered in
the week to come. However, the combative nature of many residents
is proving counterproductive to the Charrette process, a process
which is meant to open the lines and communication and work for the
community. Maybe people should stop shouting about what they don’t
want and come up with some viable options as to what they do want.
In a perfect world, the state would have cleaned up their mess, we
wouldn’t need to increase our tax base and we would all have a
wonderful park in the center of town. That’s not the scenario and
it’s not the builder’s fault. If the notion of high density
residential occupancy is something the community is vehemently
opposed to, why not start to discuss light residential occupancy
with a larger focus on office space for light industry or the
academic or research community? The bottom line, New York State
sold out Kings Park and our local and state government failed us.
The property will be developed, if not by these folks, by someone
down the road with the possibility of plans of even lesser
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Welcome Home Josh |
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A big welcome home to Josh Rogienski. Josh, a Kings Park Graduate,
class of 2002 has been leading an extremely eventful life. First,
graduation, then joining the Army to serve his country. Then being
shipped abroad for an eight month tour in Iraq!
Pictured here is Ms. Gail Martino, KPHS Teacher, Josh and school
Nurse Maureen Simpson. Josh visited Kings Park HS to personally
thank all those who sent him letters and packages of goodies. He
also spoke to a group of students giving them a first hand account
of his experience.
The best part, returning home safe and sound...
Welcome back and THANK YOU!
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A Heavenly Performance |
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The Kings Park High School Chambers singers gave it
their all and the presentation was an experience to remember. Under
the direction of high school music teacher Mr. Lee Wiltamuth, the
group performed Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's Coronation Mass.
Excellent Work!
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Charrette Turns to Chagrin
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By Ken Kraska
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The
opening meeting for the KPPC "Charrette" turned into the chagrin of
many as Andres Duany started to piece together some of the
overall plans his employer, Lamb Aquistions, has for the KP Psych
Center property. The presentation started just after 7 p.m. to a
packed Kings Park High School Auditorium with an estimated 800 or so
in attendance. As was the case with the LIRR meetings, overflow from
the crowded hall was directed to the gymnasium where a monitor
supplied a live feed of the meeting.
A good portion of the time was utilized to set the stage for what
was being planned. A variety of slides and comparisons were employed
to depict how inefficiently our small towns were designed and how
DPZ, Mr. Duany's organization, could change that trend with using a
"smart growth" approach to
develop the
370 acre Kings Park site. Some the ideas presented made sense, but
many local residents quickly determined, not all of the principles
could be applied to our particular situation. There was overall
unanimity with the negative facts: 25a or as Mr. Duany puts it A25,
along with the surrounding local arteries are currently at their
maximum utilization; our local schools are currently at their
maximum utilization and will be further burdened with the
additional development; and, the area does not have enough
development which is tax revenue generating.
The murmur that 270 acres of the 370 available are to be
developed disturbed many in the audience including Councilwoman Jane
Conway who asked for clarification of the issue. To the shock of the
majority, Mr. Duany indicated it was his understanding that 270 and
not 90 acres were to be developed. After the session,
Councilwoman
Conway stated it was her understanding the town and Gov. Pataky
agreed when the Nissequouge River State Park was carved out, there
would be a 3 to 1 open space requirement on the remaining 370 acres.
In an effort to ease the minds of some residents as well as her own,
the Councilwoman said she would contact the State for confirmation
of the fact. Another alarming revelation was Mr. Duany's comment-
based on his experience with other developments, 14 units per acre
were needed to support their plans. He did at one point concede that
this may be a bit high for this site and 10 units per acre would be
more realistic.
Bottom line facts
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370 acres with 270 developable
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Assuming 10 units per acre this
equates to 2,700 units |
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2,700 units with a conservative
average of 2.8 people per unit, this equates to 7,560 additional
residents. |
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2000 Census totaled Kings Park's
population at 16,146 with 5,574 housing units on 5.89 square
miles. |
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This development would equate to a
"Mini City" and increase the local population and housing units by
over 50%. |
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It would equate to putting half of all
the homes and people in Kings Park, San Remo and parts of Fort
Salonga into an area less than a square mile. |
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2,700 units with 1.5 autos per unit
equals 4,050 additional autos capable of driving in the
neighborhood. |
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Let's be very conservative and say
2,700 units with an average of 1 child per unit. The cost to
educate one child is approximately $12,000 per year per student.
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The tax levied on a unit would
probably be less than the $12,000 total tax which would equate to
about $8,000 being applied to school tax. It will cost the
community over $32 million to educate the additional children and
we would receive $21.6 million from tax receipts. Who is going to
make up the $10 million difference? |
When asked how we should handle the
increase in traffic of our local arteries, Mr. Dunay shirked the
question and responded it was our state's responsibility to resolve
the traffic flow issues. In the end the, the net result is to place
a high density residential development in the center of an already
congested town.
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Opening Night
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By Maureen Rossi |
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Out of the gate the Charrette was well
attended, packing about 800 plus people into The Kings Park High
School auditorium with impressive overflow into the hallways.
Builder Charlie Lefkowitz took the podium front and center and
introduced Andre’s Duany, Project Director for the Charrette team -
Duany Plater-Zyberk (DPZ). DPZ is known throughout the building
industry as one of the best Charrette teams in the nation. Duany
gave an overview of the Charrette process and spoke extensively
about engaging the community in the procedure, as well as smart
growth, the problems with suburban sprawl and the positive aspects
of new urbanism. Duany urged citizen participation stressing the
importance of the pin up sessions on Thursday May 6th and Saturday
May 8th as well as the final presentation on Tuesday May 11th at
7:00 at the high school. It was stated that there will be ample
opportunity at these particular sessions for community input and Q &
A’s.
High Density was a term tossed out frequently throughout the
evening. However, with the 50 million dollar environmental
remediation of the site, high density would be the only vehicle that
which would yield a profit for the builders. Duany stressed that
this in itself was hardly a new concept. The post-war development
of suburbia was based on development for profit. Through a series
of slides, Duany pinpointed the cons of various single function
development strategies such as subdivisions, strip malls and office
parks. The B Word was mentioned twice. Duany said, “it (the
property) is essentially a Brownfield site”. Stay tuned for more
about Brownfield’s and their relevance to zoning and planning boards
overrides. Developers are often given certain incentives for
development Brownfield or areas of blight. The Environmental
factor will be expanded on over the course of the week and therein
lie some of the most important questions, i.e. will buried toxins be
unearthed, demolition and what it will do to the air quality etc.
(freeing asbestos and other toxins).
The crowd was ruled by fear and the builders were ruled by profit
and the mix proved combustible. Nearing the end of the presentation
some residents began to shout angrily at the DPZ representative.
Although not designed as a Q & A session, Duany did take several
questions. The climate was angry and untrusting, however, the real
anger should be directed at New York State who owned and operated
the property for one hundred plus years and cowardly scampered
without cleaning up their mess. They were not held accountable for
their sins. The builders and Charrette team are bearing the burden
of the fear and anger left in the state’s shadows.
Keep in mind, the smart growth process is not an easy process or an
expedient process – as it stands now; the property is zoned for
1-acre lots. Regardless of the public outcry and decisions that
will follow in the wake of the Charrette, in the end, our zoning
board will have the final say about what and how many will inhabit
the psych hospital property.
Smart growth concepts include “mixed use” and “walk able
communities”, environs that were more “environmentally friendly”,
places where folks could gather and shop, see a show or walk in the
park without hopping in their car. The air was thick with
skepticism and expected by DPZ team. The biggest bomb dropped by
the DPZ people was the amount of acreage they planned on using.
The community was previous lead to believe by local civic groups and
local publications, that only 90 acres would used for development.
Councilwoman Jane Conway posed the important question about acreage
and Duany debunked the 90-acre number and threw out a 200 plus acre
number that drew many by surprise.
Affordable Housing was touched upon briefly with legislation
waiting in the backdrop that would require 10% of all new housing
built on LI to include affordable dwellings. One of the best
questions of the night came from resident and Kings Park Neighbor
Association member Cathy Moonis. She asked, “is Lamb just cleaning
up what they are building on or will the entire site be cleaned
up”? Like many of the other questions that arose, Duany didn’t
have the answer at the moment but promised one before the Charrette
was over. Time frame was discussed and Duany said, “the estate may
close within a year, the permits would take about tow years and the
build out would occur in 1- -15 years”.
Log in daily for a synopsis of all the Charrette meetings. If you
are unable to attend a specific meeting and need a question
answered, please forward your question to
Loezlane@optonline.net It is imperative to keep the lines of
communication open, information is power. We can work together and
use the Charrette process to ascertain what is best for the Kings
Park Community.
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Nowick Scouting New Constituents
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Smithtown, NY - Legislator Lynne C. Nowick recently
hosted Webelo Scout Troop 326 from Smithtown at the Suffolk County
Legislature Building in Hauppauge as the scouts learned first hand
how government is operated. The scouts listened as Legislative Aide
Meghan O’Reilly spoke about how the Legislature operates and the
responsibilities of the eighteen members.
Legislator Nowick greeted each scout and
their families and asked them what they knew about government.
After discussing the responsibilities she has as their
representative, she asked them about various issues that the scouts
had information about. The scouts then took on the roles of
Legislators and sat around the horseshoe and listened to ‘testimony’
on a proposed anti-smoking bill. Legislative Aides took on the
roles of residents in favor and in opposition to proposed
legislation as they each argued their position. The scouts were
then free to ask questions, and debate the issue. After the debate
was concluded, Legislator Nowick called for a vote on the
legislation. The scouts voted ‘yay’ or ‘nay’ on the issue, which
then passed and was sent on to the ‘County Executive’.
The Webelos completed their visit by
receiving a Certificate of Merit for outstanding public service for
serving as ‘Legislator’ for the day.
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